Template:Did you know nominations/Guido Jung
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:53, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
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Guido Jung
[edit]... that when Guido Jung, a Jewish minister in Benito Mussolini's cabinet, received Hermann Göring during an official visit the Wisconsin Jewish Chronicle quipped that "it must have been a lesson in tolerance"?
ALT1 ... that Guido Jung, Minister of Finance in Fascist Italy, once described Adolf Hitler as a "blockhead"?
- ALT2 ... that Guido Jung was dismissed from the Royal Italian Army after the enactment of the Italian Racial Laws despite having served as Minister of Finance under Mussolini?
Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 08:03, 10 March 2018 (UTC).
Thank you for writing the article and for nominating it, Chetsford. The article is new and long enough, sourced with inline references mostly to secondary sources, and does not seem to have any POV or copyright issues. I have some reservations, however, concerning whether the hooks you suggested are indeed the most interesting for a wider readership when it comes to a relatively unknown figure like Guido Jung. I must confess I fail to find something really "hooky" in the Wisconsin Jewish Chronicle's quip, even less in Guido Jung's low opinion of Hitler. Would it not be better, I think, to write a hook regarding the unexpected mutation of his fortune through the years, e.g. his dismissal from his commanding position in the Italian military due to the racial laws despite his prior commitment to Fascism and conversion to Christianity? If you don't mind, might I venture to suggest: "... that Jewish-born Christian convert Guido Jung was dismissed from his command of 6,000 men in the Italian military due to Racial Laws, despite having served as Minister of Finance under Mussolini?" Best, Ashmedai 119 (talk) 23:24, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Ashmedai 119 - thanks for the excellent review and that's no problem. I've proposed an Alt2 in a very slightly modified form from your suggestion (I can't say for certain that he commanded 6,000 men at the time of his dismissal, only that he commanded 6,000 men at some point prior to it. I also don't know for a fact that he converted to Christianity, only that he underwent baptism and had stopped practicing Judaism, however, in light of other factors the baptism might have been a political act rather than an act of conscience that we could correctly call it a conversion - though maybe not. I've used the converts category in the article because it's the closest available, but I should probably remove it.) Chetsford (talk) 23:30, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your speedy and kind response, Chetsford. This hook seems fine and I can confirm (with the help of Google Books) that the source cited in the article does indeed support the info of the hook (p. 240 reproduces Guido Jung's archive and reads ""Nel 1939 stesso sono stato posto, per ragioni razziali, in congedo assoluto e cancellato dai ruoli dell' Esercito Italiano"). I am striking through the previous suggestions and correcting the number of the new hook. As the QPQ criterion has been fulfilled, I am also closing this review by accepting your nomination. Ashmedai 119 (talk) 23:53, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Ashmedai 119 - thanks for the excellent review and that's no problem. I've proposed an Alt2 in a very slightly modified form from your suggestion (I can't say for certain that he commanded 6,000 men at the time of his dismissal, only that he commanded 6,000 men at some point prior to it. I also don't know for a fact that he converted to Christianity, only that he underwent baptism and had stopped practicing Judaism, however, in light of other factors the baptism might have been a political act rather than an act of conscience that we could correctly call it a conversion - though maybe not. I've used the converts category in the article because it's the closest available, but I should probably remove it.) Chetsford (talk) 23:30, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
